i know you're a fan of intel & nvidia, & think i'm an AMD fanboy... but... they've ALL had horrid space-heater models pretty evenly through each company's history. Maxwell/Pascal are great designs in that regard vs Vega especially, & Hawaii wasn't much different ...but GTX780ti, 480/580, 7900, 4600ti, etc weren't cool at all. Athlon1800, P3, 2500+Barton, P4, 975BE, Q-d, FX9***, i9 chips run hot... K6, Athlon 64, AthlonX2, AthlonX4, Devil's Canyon, FX83** run pretty cool. my FX8320 @4.2ghz won't breach 25c over ambient while runnin Prime with an AIO. GTX680 & 7970's are about the same temp-wise, even in consumption. ((fun fact that has little to do with this thread but i recently came across it... 680 beat the 7970ghz by 7-9% when it launched, but the 7970 beats a 680 by nearly 20% now. rebrands play a part, but the 770 was just a 680 rebranded too. so 3gens of AMD vs 2gens of Nvid)) when i said VRM, i was thinking MOBO ...not so much on the graphics pcb where each vendor's specific cooling design plays more a role. i like a disk drive for certain things, but those uses are coming further between for me. think i'm ditching it finally. i'll likely add more HDDs over time tho, & wait for m.2 to really take off (better all-round perf & lower $/Gb) i like Phanteks design & attn to detail, but none of their sub-$150 cases really grab my cooling efficiency goat. i had to cut my current one to stuff the 240mm X 38mm rad, plus 38mm & 25mm push/pull fans in the front of it. every case i've ever owned before it got cut for larger/more fans, screens, lifted feet, and carry handles way back in the day (LAN parties...i'm old...damn.).
Here it is. Coffee lake has released. For gaming and productivity, it worth it. It trades blows with the 8 core Ryzen chip and does just as well as the 7700k in gaming. https://www.anandtech.com/show/1185...lake-review-8700k-and-8400-initial-numbers/17
reading a ton today for the release, & i see a lot of yes/no with this CPU... consumption, temps & costs: - all Ryzen 1700's with included stock cooler hit 3.8-4.0ghz (about 100mhz under OC'd 1800x), at around 68c (22c ambient) under Prime95. $270 amazon sale price + can OC on $80 B350 mobo. = $350 - review sample 8700k's require 240mm AIO water cooling (+$90-120) to hit 4.8-5.1ghz... but look at 94c with a -20c Chiller under Prime95. $360 msrp + req $160 Z370 mobo to OC. = $610-640 - due to continued use of shitty TIM instead of solder, temps are still high ...and outrageous even under powerful water cooling once the K-chip is OC'd. - 8700k + Z370, vs 8700 on B or H-series mobo avail next year. = $120 continuation of the bullshit OC tax. - package wattage consumption is 40% higher on 8700k vs 1700. 1080p gaming: - older DX11 titles... 8700k has 11% avg lead in FPS over 1700. - newer DX12 & Vulkan titles... 8700k has 7% avg lead in avg FPS, less in minimums. - top-notch gaming results, but i expected far better. smoother than 7700k (fewer/smaller dips) & generally a bit faster, but pretty close in most titles. mixed bag of results in productivity: - essentially the 8700k does the same (if single) or much better (if threaded) than a 7700k. some programs favor threads (still 1700), some favor clocks (7700 or 8700), and some are very well mixed (where 8700k shines). TL;DR ...it's a bit disappointing, & AMD have already shown they can/do drop prices (Intel is stubborn to retain illusion of value - mindshare tactic). i might even keep my current rig another year if holiday sales aren't stellar, esp with RAM & GPU markets this borked. bleh.
holy shit - i just realized none of this matters as the launch today was solely intended by Intel to pump the brakes on AMD's increasing market-share... there's almost no supply of K-chips & won't be till late Q1 of 2018 -nearly a paper-launch. production binning means they can cut-down the majority of early-run silicon to sell as lower-tier products. only Z370 mobo's avail (no B/H) cause they wanted to ensure mfgs prioritized for the most reviewed chips, the K-series. the only people who will have them (those who can afford the mark-up due to scarcity) are the hardest of endowed Intel fans, who will sing it's praises in forums. anyone on the fence will see favorable reviews & hold-off while Intel can ramp-up production, instead of buying Ryzen over the coming months (holiday shopping season). Intel knows Coffee will eat Kaby sales, & Ryzen has already been steadily munching, so Intel decided to take losses sooner to retain mindshare. those who ponder a new build while waiting for 8700k/8600k stock, will hear rumors of 8c/16t on Z390 in H2'18 - which is also an obvious scheme to buy more time. Intel really wasn't sandbagging all these years, they got caught with their pants down & are in full panic-mode - strategizing how to BS their way through a slump again, like '01-'06. amazing. (ask me about con-trails! lol)
I plan on buying from here. https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all Getting a delidded and pre-binned chip is well worth it. The delidding process brings temps down 20 degree's from what I've seen on this chip. From all the gaming benchmarks I've seen, the i5-8400 destroys most of the chips in gaming and has enough cores to do the editing and other shit I do but I prefer to OC so the 8600k will do the trick. I don't see it that way on getting caught with their pants down. Chips don't just get made overnight. Did they have to release a little sooner than expected? Yes, of course. Would I tell someone who is looking long term for gaming superiority, still with Intel. i5-8400 looks great at $182 and outperforms the 1700 with 2 less core and 2 less threads. These guys tested their chip with probably the worst OC luck ever. Well worth the watch.
